One blogger commented on my, God Bless Barack Obama and Joe Biden post, by saying, “…Obama is the most ungodly, unChristian president that we have ever had.”
Jim Fox replied:
That’s just not true. Obama cares more for the poor and oppressed than any politician in recent history – and definitely more than Republican candidates this year. According to Jesus, the Kingdom of God is about caring for the poor, the blind, the lame, the oppressed. Ipso Facto, Obama is wayyyyy more of a Kingdom politician than anyone we have seen in decades.
So, what do you think, was the kindom of God really advanced by the election of Barack Obama?
[TossUp Questions are thrown out sort of like a jump ball starts a basketball game. Once, the ball is in the air, the game is begun, but the action goes all over the court. But...remember even in the game of basketball there are rules. So, no flagrant fouls or foul language. No charging fouls. Let's be good sports to those we agree with and disagree with, okay?]
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November 7, 2008 at 7:24 pm
I do not believe the election of Barack Obama was God’s perfect will, no. He would never be for someone who is so clearly against God’s precepts. However, for whatever reason, He obviously allowed it to happen. Maybe because we (as a nation) allowed it to happen, or we (as the Church) allowed it to happen. I don’t know. I am really hoping that these next years of sliding towards socialism and communism (did you see the proposals and beliefs of Rahm Emmanuel…Obama’s Chief of Staff? Search out “The Plan”) will somehow play into God’s plan, but right now I am afraid we will never recover. At least all of this has proved to me that the return of Christ is very near. I am very scared for my kids, especially.
November 7, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Just for interest sake, here’s an interesting article on this subject:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80294
November 7, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Guess who put him in office?
November 6, 2008
Evangelicals responsible for Obama victory
By Bryan Fischer
Here’s the single most important takeaway from Tuesday’s election: evangelical voters are responsible, all by themselves, for putting Sen. Barack Obama into the White House.
A mentor of mine was fond of saying that the church is the secret government of the world, based on Jesus’ teaching that his followers are the salt of the earth, arresting the spread of decay, and the light of the world, bringing illumination to a darkened and deceived humanity.
As the church goes, he believed, so the world goes.
According to exit polling data, Sen. Obama, a supporter of unlimited abortion rights and the radical homosexual agenda, did not win a majority of evangelicals in any state in the Union.
Overall, 74% of self-identified evangelical or born-again Christians voted for Sen. McCain, who has a 100% voting record on the pro-life issue and supported the state marriage amendments which were on the ballot in Arizona, California and Florida, all of which won decisively. One quarter of evangelicals voted for Sen. Obama.
In my home state of Idaho, 80% of evangelicals voted for the McCain-Palin ticket, while just 19% voted for the Obama-Biden ticket.
Two things are particularly noteworthy. One, it’s amazing all by itself that 25% of evangelicals found some way to justify voting for a presidential candidate who supported infanticide while a state senator in Illinois, wants to overturn every pro-life law in the land as his first order of presidential business, and calls the Defense of Marriage Act an “abhorrent” law which he wants to repeal as soon as he can.
One can only wonder what kind of teaching these evangelicals are getting on morality in public policy from their pulpits. Have they been told that the Bible teaches that, according to Psalm 139 and Luke 1, a woman carries a baby in her womb, and not a blob of tissue? Have they been taught that the Scriptures teach in Genesis 1, Matthew 19, and 1 Corinthians 7 that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, and that the Scriptures teach in Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 5 that homosexual behavior is contrary to nature?
Secondly, it’s clear that the simplest path toward recapturing America’s moral compass is to create more and better instructed evangelicals.
Evangelicals now comprise 26% of American voters, meaning that of the 120,659,318 votes cast, 31,371,423 of them were cast by evangelicals. This means, bottom line, that 7,842,856 evangelicals cast their votes for Obama.
Sen. Obama’s margin of victory in the popular vote was 7,576,856. This, you will note, is less than the number of evangelical votes for Obama. The bottom line, then, is that if all evangelicals had voted according to biblical standards of morality, Sen. McCain would have won the election by 266,000 votes.
Thus the most radical, left-leaning president America has ever had has evangelicals to thank for his elevation to the highest office in the world. He has been put into White House by evangelicals. Evangelicals all by themselves had the power to keep the most liberal senator in United States history out of the Oval Office and did not do so.
If evangelicals had cast their votes according to what they claim are their most deeply held convictions, we would now be talking about Sen. McCain’s choice of cabinet members rather than fretting about how it will be possible to stop the pro-abortion, pro-homosexual juggernaut that will be unleashed on America on January 20.
And even assuming voting patterns remained the same, if evangelicals consisted of 37.5% of the electorate instead of just 25%, McCain also would have won. Under that scenario, McCain would have received almost 34 million votes from evangelicals, with Obama receiving just over 11 million, and the difference of 22.5 million votes would have been enough to overcome the 7.5 million vote margin that Obama received on Tuesday.
Bottom line: if we want to salvage the future of this country, all we need are more evangelicals.
The most patriotic thing we can do, both for the kingdom of God and the United States, is to bring our family members and friends into a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Evangelism, in other words, is not only our spiritual duty, it is our patriotic duty.
If each of us brings one soul into the kingdom of God over the next four years, the faith community will double in size, and even if teaching in the church does not improve, candidates who respect the Judeo-Christian underpinnings of American history and culture will easily be elevated to office.
Thus the path forward for evangelicals who care deeply about the moral fiber of this country, the soundness of its public policy, and the future of the country we are leaving for our children and grandchildren is quite clear: We should pray and work (in that order) for spiritual awakening to come to America and especially to its churches, and pray and work (in that order) to see that America’s pulpits are filled with men who without apology and without compromise preach the word of God.
The Evangelical Electoral Map (Updated) | Christianity Today
© Bryan Fischer
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November 8, 2008 at 12:42 am
My heart is in so much grief and fear. I cannot be comforted. I don’t even know how to pray. Have any of you heard anything you feel might be from the Lord about whether this judgment is meant to be redemptive or destructive? That is what I am struggling with right now. If I knew that God was trying to bring us low in order to redeem us, then I think I could be strong and fight for Him and pray for the redemption of America. Right now, I just fear that there is nothing more that we can do…that maybe God is done with us and things will only get worse until His return. If that is the case, then how are we to live now? I feel like I’ve just undergone a death in the family. Anyone else feel this way? I am in so much fear for my kids, especially after learning more about Obama’s proposed mandatory national service for kids ages 18-25, which is codeword for indoctrination. Over my dead body can Obama indoctrinate my kids. I’ll move to Australia first. I’m not kidding. Can anyone offer anything they might have been hearing from the Lord? Or any insight, prophetically from the Bible about America in the end times? I feel like this is a nightmare that we can’t wake up from.
November 8, 2008 at 2:39 am
PC,
Many people are buying Kim Clement’s prophesy that God is going to set Obama on fire for Him and that everything will be lolly and jolly. I know how you feel, i felt that way before the election when people of color who were believers were voting for obama because of his skin color only.
If you are looking for a comforting word besides the Bible go read the latest newsletter by David Wilkerson.
http://www.worldchallenge.org/en/node/5656/pdf
November 8, 2008 at 2:45 am
Thanks, mdr1972,
I will check out that newsletter from David Wilkerson. How do you feel about Kim Clement’s prophecy? I have a very hard time believing it, I’ll be honest with you. I would be happy to be wrong, but I just can’t see how it is possible.
November 8, 2008 at 2:48 am
Also…anyone hear from plushduck? I really miss him/her!
November 8, 2008 at 3:06 am
Plushduck said she was going to Israel and would be back some day. I think Kim Clement is a false prophet. He prophesied many whoppers and I don’t believe a word he says.
November 8, 2008 at 3:08 am
pcal7, I had a dream once I’m not sure I should post as it could cause part of my family pain. It’s a picture of this election – sort of – so I’ll try to nutshell it here.
My brother-in-law had a heart condition – an enlarged heart – from his youth that wasn’t diagnosed properly until his early 40’s but by then there was nothing to be done. When he died, the attack was massive and death was instant.
Years later I had a dream that we were all in Mom’s house for a big holiday dinner, all the trimmings. Everyone was laughing, teasing, eating, having the usual big time. I was weaving in and out, trying to get anyone’s attention to tell them, including Jerry, that Jerry was going to die. It’s as if I was an unseen spirit. No one even acknowledged my presence.
The 7 million evangelicals blamed above for the election of The Comrade to the new politburo are the author’s quoted % of those that voted. There are millions(?) more who believe politics and faith do not mix and didn’t vote at all, that voting is very likely a sin or at least worldly. They use the line “render unto Cesaer what is Cesaer’s” as if to disassociate themselves in the name of holiness. Their deepest expressed thought is que, sera, sera, whatever will be, will be, that they’re going to be in their current state of full tummies and clapping to the chorus when Jesus comes.
Some of the body has been trying to warn others of the impending disaster of the creeping mold of societal dependency, much like I was trying to tell my family that Jerry was going to die soon. My children as well as my church family are happier ignoring the oncoming freight train. “If it hits, it hits. God is in control. Where’s your faith? I’m choosing to enjoy life” and lest we forget “I don’t want to talk about it.”
Being the watchman on the wall and sounding the alarm has little reward, no, make that no reward, only a Jeremiah syndrome. I expect to be thrown down a well soon.
Another point you will find equally distasteful, maybe even the final trigger it takes to buy that ticket to Australia (a very nice place BTW) is what I saw on Sid Roth last night. First, look up Genesis 12:3 and ask yourself if God ever reneges on a promise. We know from prophecy that the end is at the very edge when Israel loses her last nation friend, the USA. John McTernon was talking about his new book, As America Has Done to Israel, a study on 40 out of 70 incidents when the US leadership has told Israel to give up covenant land for peace and that each and every time, many times within 24 hours, God has slapped us with a disaster, either storm related or a financial one. Both Bush, Sr and W, white knight against terrorism that he has been, have engaged in arranging for the forking over of covenant land. God is not pleased.
Until our nation really supports Israel, or rather, supports Israel again, and stands by her on all fronts and stops handing over parts of her to Hamas, God will continue to not be pleased. However, since the Body of Christ has not only failed in her mission to band together and vote into office godly people to listen to godly citizens, but also failed to prevent a Muslim sympathizer from delivering even more blows to the state of Israel, as well as the unborn, a double whammy, it is now up to the gentile church within all nations to shoulder the responsibility for support of God’s home base, Jerusalem. If we don’t we disappear with the nations.
My hope is that this next two years will be so obvious that enough Christians will wake up at the contrast between Bush’s blind goofs and The Comrade’s Hamas funded intentions. It’s my hope that two years won’t be too long before we can put some congressmen and senators in office to block his every attempt to change us into the USSR under Stalin and Lenin. If not, we need to prepare for the persecution it will take to be the spotless bride Jesus intended us to be, to give up fear, to put aside our justified anger over the travesty of the election of a socialist Muslim, and get down to loving our family and friends into the Kingdom.
I know this doesn’t offer much comfort. pcal7, as soon as you can, find the Pepto Bismol — better, keep some in the glove box, accept what you cannot fix and proceed in the power of the Holy Spirit. I’m stumbling right along side you.
Whew. I’m ordering the book while I still have a job.
November 8, 2008 at 4:05 am
PC,
Maybe this article will make you feel better. This is a Christian Journalist/Editor:
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‘One nation under God, indivisible …’?
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Posted: October 21, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008
Editor’s note: Joseph Farah is traveling today, but suggested this previous column best reflected his feelings about the election results.
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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
The Declaration of Independence
I’ve lived through some turbulent years of American history, but I have never seen our country more polarized, more divided, more ripe for – dare I say it? – breakup, dissolution, a secessionist movement.
I admit I’m unafraid of radical ideas – if those radical ideas are just, righteous, moral and godly.
I believe it’s time for radical ideas – just as it was time in 1776.
Frankly, I don’t see a way to unite a people as divided as Americans are today. We are trying to pretend we’re one nation when we are really two.
One of those two nations clings to the promises and covenants of the past, the Bible, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, as the guiding principles. The other believes in and lives with no immutable standards.
It’s not a Republican vs. Democrat split – as the current election illustrates. I know many Republicans would find themselves more comfortable in the country of no standards. I also suspect many Democrats would actually find themselves more at home in the nation of the Bible, Declaration and Constitution.
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Isn’t it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider? When there are no new lands to discover, what choice do we have?
My vision of the world is one in perfect harmony with the Bible, the Declaration and the Constitution. But these standards have been run over, obscured, distorted, demolished, nullified, undone, vandalized. Since, historically, it was the Bible, the Declaration and the Constitution that held us together, what binds us today? Shouldn’t those of us who upheld the commitment to those standards have the right, in fact, the duty, to separate ourselves from those who have gutted them?
America was founded as a sovereign, independent nation. The vandals want to yield sovereignty to global authorities and make America interdependent.
America was founded with a federal government that was to be constitutionally limited in scope. The vandals have already succeeded in obliterating the enumerated powers.
America was founded as a nation of self-governing free people and sovereign states with significant authority reserved to them. The vandals have placed America under the shackles of a central government to which the states and people are subordinate.
America was founded as a nation of people “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” The vandals deny the Creator, invent man-made rights and deny life and liberty are sacred values.
I could go on and on, but you get the idea.
We already are two peoples with irreconcilable differences sharing one nation. It’s time for an amicable divorce – with each people free to pursue their own way.
I don’t know how to make this happen. But I think it’s time to start talking about it – start working toward it. I don’t want to live under the consequences of the actions of the vandals. I don’t want my children to do that. There ought to be a choice. Maybe we can live side by side in peace as two nations, but we can’t live freely as one people any longer.
The moral justification for secession was found in our Declaration of Independence. It says governments are created to protect our unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It also says, “Whenever a government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.”
I know it’s radical. I know it’s not a topic being discussed on the Sunday morning talk shows. I know it’s not a subject of op-eds in the New York Times. But, the more I think about it, the more I agree it’s the only political solution that makes sense for an America that has lost its sense of mission and the original intent of those who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
What choice do we have but to break the bands that tie us together? Actually, to be honest, those bands have already been broken – by those who have, over time, grabbed control of our lives in a thousand insidious ways over the last 200-plus years.
It’s time to move this debate forward – front and center. It’s time to begin asking the real questions. It’s time to restore liberty to America.
There’s only one way to recapture the greatness of America. That is to start over – with only those willing to play by the rules. Let those who don’t believe in rules have their own country to destroy.
November 8, 2008 at 4:42 am
G. Campbell Morgan wrote: “The church patronized is the church paralyzed, therefore, the church in peril. The church persecuted is the church prayerful, and therefore, powerful.”
Daniel spoke about the last days and said: “…the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.”
This is a great time period to be a Christian. We know the Answer and we have answers for our neighbors and family. In fact, we are especially created and chosen for this time period.
How do you want to be thought of throughout eternity? As a chicken Christian who walked in fear for his own life and his family. Or do you want to reap the rewards of a believer who ran the race and finished the course that God set before him? Shouldn’t we be interested in garnering some heavenly rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ?
I do not want to walk into heaven and have all of my spiritual potential intact and unused. I want to be used up.
As for my children and grandchildren, they will have a chance to do even greater things for the Kingdom of God. And for that, I am jealous of their possibilities.
We are kingdom people who have a great Leader. His name is the Lord God of Hosts. The Man of War. And the Lion of Judah.
November 8, 2008 at 4:52 am
In the book, Passing of the Torch, James Chen – a Chinese Christian – wrote that the Kingdom of God always marches forward. Never ever retreats.